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11/26/2008 1:23 pm
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Merrick
365 posts 

11/26/2008 2:43 pm

I am 100% European... I have relatives all over Europe... so I think I am entitled to have many opinions...as my family has been affected by that war. I also have became friends with a few survivors... heard their experiences with great sadness.

I do agree that Germany is a great country and has paid plenty for the actions of the Nazi regime.. and not every German had their hands in it and not many ppl really knew to what extent of what atrocities that were happening till after.

The attacks in Mumbai saddened me... I can't imagine how religious ppl.. can go against their God and attack innocent ppl.

'Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it' George Santayana





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elcid3
90 posts 

11/26/2008 5:18 pm

You are right....I was just thinking the same thing about these recent terrorist attacks (which were btw aimed at Americans and Brits). How long has this war between Muslims and Hindus been goin on now? That is why I am a lover of history. It teaches us to avoid the mistakes of the past. I often hear criticism of the cold war missle and nuclear threats by the US but had this not been done would another world war III have resulted between superpowers? We avoided another conventional war for many years and thus saved possible millions of lives. I am of german lineage and many of the worlds great scientists are German. It is a nation of great history and intellect. The actions of one lunatic dont reflect a society rich with art, tradition and technolgy. We understand that the country was in economic crises at the time as was many countries worldwide. Its understandable that the people would look for inspiration. Unfortunately, it was the wrong person but as you said this was a valuable lesson and today Germany is once again a great nation.

YRHabibi
168 posts 

11/26/2008 10:49 pm

Those who dont learn from History are destined to repeat its mistakes

Every country has its Goods and Bads and ofcourse every incident happening has its own historic significance which itself is time related. Those who learn from the bad past overcome it and push their nation to the new future. Those who doesn't pull theirs to the dark ages again.

I personally believe it isn't fair to judge a Nation in its present for its actions in the past. (eventhough i don't understand the context of all your discussions)

I am sad that things like these ( terrorism) is happening even in this new Millennium

bobmenon
34 posts 

11/27/2008 4:03 am

True !!!learn fm history and tat can help u from repeating the mistake's ...For wat ever has happened in Mumbai blame it on to religion ....For humanity science a grace n religion truly a curse ... have always fail to understand the human psychology of killing known for an unknown...Wish if we ever had a No God No religion world and in some cases wish just a wish never come true ....At times it's too frustrating to live this world with fanatics around.

YRHabibi
168 posts 

11/27/2008 8:53 pm

    Quoting bobmenon:
    True !!!learn fm history and tat can help u from repeating the mistake's ...For wat ever has happened in Mumbai blame it on to religion ....For humanity science a grace n religion truly a curse ... have always fail to understand the human psychology of killing known for an unknown...Wish if we ever had a No God No religion world and in some cases wish just a wish never come true ....At times it's too frustrating to live this world with fanatics around.
Even if there isnt God nor Religion, still the world wont be that peaceful my friend.

think about the various occupations, insurgencies and wars that happened in the last century. Not all were in the name of religion including the last one on Iraq even though the sponsors claim so.

the reality is Religion is the best mask, the best protection against all your crimes and greed...terrorist sponsored or state sponsored

and Religious fanaticism isn't the only one...we got a lot more in the list
Power Fanaticism
Political Fanaticism
Ideological Fanaticism
Ethnic Fanaticism
Racial Fanaticism
Consumer Fanaticism and so on.....

and of course Greed dates back the time of Adam & Eve, am I right...lol

mulrikris
617 posts

11/27/2008 11:39 pm

Simply fantastic YD....you are not alone... i just wrote to you on your quote.... and here i read this.... FANTASTIC..... YES....there is no use NOW in cursing for the past ...one should learn NOT ONLY FROM HIS OR HER MISTAKES ALONE... BUT FROM OTHERS MISTAKES TOO..... i also very much agree with YRHabibi....and Religious fanaticism isn't the only one...we got a lot more in the list
Power Fanaticism
Political Fanaticism
Ideological Fanaticism
Ethnic Fanaticism
Racial Fanaticism
Consumer Fanaticism and so on.....

AS Nietze said [/COLOR]"THe Last Christian died on the Cross......"each individual here on earth has got his/her OWN ..."ISM"...which is going to perish with him/her.... why all this fanatic fights in between ..... LETS JOIN HANDS FOR A PEACEFUL LIVING RACE.....

With Love......always AND in all ways!!!!!!

bobmenon
34 posts 

11/29/2008 12:44 am

Yupe world wudn't be peacefull even if there isn't God nor Religion.....but defenitely our planet would have been a better place to live without these....Fully agree with u on other fanaticism's n again none of them are as bad as these.....Dear Friend Iam never against one's faith or religion as long as it's one's personal affair n it does not affect others life but that is not wat's happening now .......We all frustrated with wats happening around us and its high time for all of us to initiate a movement against this evil.....

fast_am
170 posts 

11/29/2008 11:37 pm

Compared to Nazi regime,even these brutal killings are nothing. Every one,,and every country learns its lessions,throu its own sufferings.Maybe ,we still have to learn,,,and for that ,,must suffer more...but,,this must happen here,inside us. Example of Germany does not help us at all. As for history, we are one of the richest,,,and we know the complete morphology of human existance.
We have learnt,not that we havent.
It was painful,to see the innocent killed. We all pray for their souls to be in peace.
YD..thank you for starting a dialogue..but,,kindly dont blame us indians,thinking we are incapable in any way.We are pained, pl share.Thanks

gudduishere
7 posts 

12/1/2008 4:22 pm

GOOD ONE I LIKE THAT

gudduishere
7 posts 

12/1/2008 4:23 pm

    Quoting fast_am:
    Compared to Nazi regime,even these brutal killings are nothing. Every one,,and every country learns its lessions,throu its own sufferings.Maybe ,we still have to learn,,,and for that ,,must suffer more...but,,this must happen here,inside us. Example of Germany does not help us at all. As for history, we are one of the richest,,,and we know the complete morphology of human existance.
    We have learnt,not that we havent.
    It was painful,to see the innocent killed. We all pray for their souls to be in peace.
    YD..thank you for starting a dialogue..but,,kindly dont blame us indians,thinking we are incapable in any way.We are pained, pl share.Thanks

I AGREE WITH U

Yourdream4ever
1931 posts 

12/2/2008 3:49 am

    Quoting Merrick:
    I am 100 0.000000E+00uropean... I have relatives all over Europe... so I think I am entitled to have many opinions...as my family has been affected by that war. I also have became friends with a few survivors... heard their experiences with great sadness.

    I do agree that Germany is a great country and has paid plenty for the actions of the Nazi regime.. and not every German had their hands in it and not many ppl really knew to what extent of what atrocities that were happening till after.

    The attacks in Mumbai saddened me... I can't imagine how religious ppl.. can go against their God and attack innocent ppl.

    'Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it' George Santayana
So it is, Merrick, they are condemned! Just certain nations do not even care to learn, cuz they simply believe: they are always right, no matter what they do. And what I mean was, some illiterate members here did post a lot of googled posts, saying germans were living on jews money. Especially, cuz the US took all german technologies and engineers But, let us leave history. Still are spying satelites everywhere..lol.. Some ppl unable neither copy, nor paste....

What I want to underline with my blog was: germans did learn, and make sure to never happen again. Those few members published post, which made many indian ask me same question. 'Are germans really like this?'

As for me, I dont care what poor souls think or post, but in public one has responsibility. I also could post reports about happenings in Iraq, why notbody mention this???? Or details about Afghanistan???? Who will take the responsible ppl to court????

Its always easy for cowards to kill innocent ppl, no matter how they call themself. I dunno who they believe in, as I am not religious. But never will I do a harm even to an animal, they also have life. Ppl pray, I ask myself to whom??? Who will forgive them the killings or other outrages???

Oh, well, this is such a topic, you know.... I better put a dot here.

Yourdream4ever
1931 posts 

12/2/2008 4:11 am

    Quoting elcid3:
    You are right....I was just thinking the same thing about these recent terrorist attacks (which were btw aimed at Americans and Brits). How long has this war between Muslims and Hindus been goin on now? That is why I am a lover of history. It teaches us to avoid the mistakes of the past. I often hear criticism of the cold war missle and nuclear threats by the US but had this not been done would another world war III have resulted between superpowers? We avoided another conventional war for many years and thus saved possible millions of lives. I am of german lineage and many of the worlds great scientists are German. It is a nation of great history and intellect. The actions of one lunatic dont reflect a society rich with art, tradition and technolgy. We understand that the country was in economic crises at the time as was many countries worldwide. Its understandable that the people would look for inspiration. Unfortunately, it was the wrong person but as you said this was a valuable lesson and today Germany is once again a great nation.
elcid, yes, I know you are lover of history, sad not many are this. But I was observing your comments else where and have seen your opinion about so called communistic countries. I guess, you do have the idea of what your country gives you as propaganda, hence I do not blame you much for your opinion about it. Believe me, I grew up in this society. I am here in Germany for love sake, nothing else. I could stay away from fire, for I am not native german. And still, I spend over half of my life here. But back to communistic countries, which actually were ONLY socialistic. Plz, if you care, make it sure and travel around those countries and try to talk to ppl, know ppl. You will see, they all regret the change. Some will not tell perhaps, but most do. For in this time ppl used to have quality of life as, very good school education, friends, families, culture life. They all owned a home, and had to eat, had jobs and everything one needs for a good life. Now they lost jobs, homes, families, friends and most important HOPE!!!

You somehow justify decisions of your country in keeping freedom..hehe... well, do it, my opinion is totally different on that matter. But you have the right as I have mine too. I do not trust politicians. Look at that hypocrite Gorbatschoff...lol.. what a clown of a man... He preaches water and drank wine..LOL.. glassnost + perestroika. ... USA was his greatest enemy, till he moved over to make money
All talk about corruption, but why they wonder??? Who make politic?? The politicians?? C'mon, guys, you will be naiv to believe this. money makes politic, money tells where to go and what to do. If they need to sell weapons, so they will. Human life became priseless and this is the tragedy of this societies in the year 2008

Dont worry, buddy, the 3rd war is already there, but everywhere

Ufff, my doctor told me not to talk about politic, for my BP sake

Yourdream4ever
1931 posts 

12/2/2008 4:17 am

    Quoting YRHabibi:
    Those who dont learn from History are destined to repeat its mistakes

    Every country has its Goods and Bads and ofcourse every incident happening has its own historic significance which itself is time related. Those who learn from the bad past overcome it and push their nation to the new future. Those who doesn't pull theirs to the dark ages again.

    I personally believe it isn't fair to judge a Nation in its present for its actions in the past. (eventhough i don't understand the context of all your discussions)

    I am sad that things like these ( terrorism) is happening even in this new Millennium
MYHabibi I hope you will get my point better after I did respond to Merrick and elcid and the reasons why I posted this.

Its easy to point to others for what happened 70 years back, before hold a mirrow

Terrorism is really a problem for all countries. For its unpredictable

I wonder what country will make the first step and try to talk to them. Perhaps one day its gonna happen and the world be in peace. I hope this is not a dream only but then, I am a dreamer only

Yourdream4ever
1931 posts 

12/2/2008 4:20 am

    Quoting bobmenon:
    True !!!learn fm history and tat can help u from repeating the mistake's ...For wat ever has happened in Mumbai blame it on to religion ....For humanity science a grace n religion truly a curse ... have always fail to understand the human psychology of killing known for an unknown...Wish if we ever had a No God No religion world and in some cases wish just a wish never come true ....At times it's too frustrating to live this world with fanatics around.
yep, bobsss, I agree with you, there are many kind of fanatics everywhere. You take politic, religion even in sports. People do not fera to show their real face of violence. There is no more moral on earth.

Yourdream4ever
1931 posts 

12/2/2008 4:25 am

    Quoting YRHabibi:
    Even if there isnt God nor Religion, still the world wont be that peaceful my friend.

    think about the various occupations, insurgencies and wars that happened in the last century. Not all were in the name of religion including the last one on Iraq even though the sponsors claim so.

    the reality is Religion is the best mask, the best protection against all your crimes and greed...terrorist sponsored or state sponsored

    and Religious fanaticism isn't the only one...we got a lot more in the list
    Power Fanaticism
    Political Fanaticism
    Ideological Fanaticism
    Ethnic Fanaticism
    Racial Fanaticism
    Consumer Fanaticism and so on.....

    and of course Greed dates back the time of Adam & Eve, am I right...lol
Of course you are right YRHabibi.... at the moment when Adam got the great option to choose a wife .. LOL

Back to topic: I again have to agree with what you said, all kind of -isms
Remember what Marx said about religion??? Oh, well, he was right

Yourdream4ever
1931 posts 

12/2/2008 4:29 am

    Quoting mulrikris:
    Simply fantastic YD....you are not alone... i just wrote to you on your quote.... and here i read this.... FANTASTIC..... YES....there is no use NOW in cursing for the past ...one should learn NOT ONLY FROM HIS OR HER MISTAKES ALONE... BUT FROM OTHERS MISTAKES TOO..... i also very much agree with YRHabibi....and Religious fanaticism isn't the only one...we got a lot more in the list
    Power Fanaticism
    Political Fanaticism
    Ideological Fanaticism
    Ethnic Fanaticism
    Racial Fanaticism
    Consumer Fanaticism and so on.....

    AS Nietze said [/COLOR]"THe Last Christian died on the Cross......"each individual here on earth has got his/her OWN ..."ISM"...which is going to perish with him/her.... why all this fanatic fights in between ..... LETS JOIN HANDS FOR A PEACEFUL LIVING RACE.....
I am with you, mulri! 'Lets join hands' - sounds like action, this is absolutely essential!!!

Yourdream4ever
1931 posts 

12/2/2008 4:35 am

    Quoting bobmenon:
    Yupe world wudn't be peacefull even if there isn't God nor Religion.....but defenitely our planet would have been a better place to live without these....Fully agree with u on other fanaticism's n again none of them are as bad as these.....Dear Friend Iam never against one's faith or religion as long as it's one's personal affair n it does not affect others life but that is not wat's happening now .......We all frustrated with wats happening around us and its high time for all of us to initiate a movement against this evil.....
bobsss, fantastic what you said. Religion should be everyones private affair and not affaect other ppl life. I never tried to convince anyone who was religious, that he/she was wrong. By contrast they did try to convince me, I was wrong although I get along with ppl from different religions. Funny how none could explain to me, what God is able to excuse and forgive actions like: killings, abuses, violences etc...

Yourdream4ever
1931 posts 

12/2/2008 4:47 am

    Quoting fast_am:
    Compared to Nazi regime,even these brutal killings are nothing. Every one,,and every country learns its lessions,throu its own sufferings.Maybe ,we still have to learn,,,and for that ,,must suffer more...but,,this must happen here,inside us. Example of Germany does not help us at all. As for history, we are one of the richest,,,and we know the complete morphology of human existance.
    We have learnt,not that we havent.
    It was painful,to see the innocent killed. We all pray for their souls to be in peace.
    YD..thank you for starting a dialogue..but,,kindly dont blame us indians,thinking we are incapable in any way.We are pained, pl share.Thanks

is nothing???? How can you compare numbers, when it comes to life???

And second, where did you see me blaming indians??? Did you get the sense of my blog??? If that was not sharing feelings, what then??? huh ... You really dont know me yet. Who was the very first person, who contact you to ask, right away few minutes after all this in Mumbai happened????? Do you know, IFFians didnt have a clue???

Prayers will not help, buddy. One needs to look into reasons. In my country we say: 'Fish starts stinking from the head'.

It might give you an idea.

Yourdream4ever
1931 posts 

12/2/2008 4:49 am

what part did you like?? any precise term???

Yourdream4ever
1931 posts 

12/2/2008 4:59 am

Thanks to all of you, who commented and I apologise for the delay. In order of events in Mumbai, when everything is happening at once it simply took my breath away.

Peace to all

YD

mulrikris
617 posts

12/2/2008 10:39 am

    Quoting Yourdream4ever:
    I am with you, mulri! 'Lets join hands' - sounds like action, this is absolutely essential!!!
...thanks YD...for joining hands with me..... lets hope all our thought'd come true and this EARTH would become a peaceful place to live in.....

With Love......always AND in all ways!!!!!!

Yourdream4ever
1931 posts 

12/2/2008 12:25 pm

Sure, mulri, one day soon hopefully its gonna be peace, but I guess this will be a long and painful process

bad1waiting
457 posts 

12/2/2008 9:55 pm

BTW. . . not all Indiand are same YD. . . just like not all fingers in your hand are not same!!!
I hope that says it all. . . .as a reply to this post!!
There are good ones and bad ones!! Each living life how he pleases to do so!
Likewise. . .some realise. . . .some never will for their understanding of life doesn't go beyond their own stomachs!!! Why blame them??
Some Indians are well informed. . . some better informed. . .and some in powerful positions where they have influence over the masses!

O0O_000_O0O
336 posts 

12/3/2008 2:09 am

Bomb Bay

O0O_000_O0O

mulrikris
617 posts

12/3/2008 12:02 pm

    Quoting Yourdream4ever:
    Sure, mulri, one day soon hopefully its gonna be peace, but I guess this will be a long and painful process
yep......and anything attained aftermuch pain would LAST LONG and be MORE CHERISHED......

With Love......always AND in all ways!!!!!!

mulrikris
617 posts

12/3/2008 12:04 pm

Fun-Toss-Stick.....

With Love......always AND in all ways!!!!!!

Yourdream4ever
1931 posts 

12/4/2008 12:00 am

    Quoting bad1waiting:
    BTW. . . not all Indiand are same YD. . . just like not all fingers in your hand are not same!!!
    I hope that says it all. . . .as a reply to this post!!
    There are good ones and bad ones!! Each living life how he pleases to do so!
    Likewise. . .some realise. . . .some never will for their understanding of life doesn't go beyond their own stomachs!!! Why blame them??
    Some Indians are well informed. . . some better informed. . .and some in powerful positions where they have influence over the masses!
badddd, you should not come now and then and comment my dear, you better care to read all the blogs were here end of october and first weeks of november. Certain member with no idea about history would only google some sites and copy&paste them, which irritated many members here. You also read my answer to the other comments here and might get the reason why I did post the blog. Someone hit a nerv with a blog, no doubt, but germans today are far away from what certain members made them look like. This I want to clarify. I live in this country for 26 years and know who they are and what they are. Thatswhy I meant, they should look at themselves before point their fingers to others and turn back 70 years of history. For their country do not care about peace NOW in 2008 and I dont see near future to do so. Cuz they are ignorant of what their history was.

As for the indians, who is informed and who not... this is another topic, which I will NOT discuss here.

Yourdream4ever
1931 posts 

12/4/2008 12:01 am

Mumbai

Yourdream4ever
1931 posts 

12/4/2008 12:07 am

It shall be understood

Yourdream4ever
1931 posts 

12/4/2008 12:08 am

PEEEEEAAAAAACEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

bad1waiting
457 posts 

12/4/2008 9:02 pm

sweetie,
Why you take to heart what some ignorant ppl think about Germans and what they make them look like in the IFF??
There are so many who hold Germans and Germany in high esteem for they know the genius that prevails there! IN THEM AND IN THAT COUNTRY!
I do assume you to be far more intelligent than those poor ignorant souls to be affected by their opinions!
And just to correct you . . . We Indians do care about peace in our country hunniiii!!!

Yourdream4ever
1931 posts 

12/7/2008 7:39 am

    Quoting bad1waiting:
    sweetie,
    Why you take to heart what some ignorant ppl think about Germans and what they make them look like in the IFF??
    There are so many who hold Germans and Germany in high esteem for they know the genius that prevails there! IN THEM AND IN THAT COUNTRY!
    I do assume you to be far more intelligent than those poor ignorant souls to be affected by their opinions!
    And just to correct you . . . We Indians do care about peace in our country hunniiii!!!
bad1, I do not care about the lost souls, but want to make clear for those, who paged me on YM to ask or sent some emails to my IFF box and ask again and again same quastion: if germans ARE that way, as some illiterate weirdos here posted end of october and first 2 weeks of november. Hence was my appeal to care for THEIR country I dunno why you talk about indians, its obviously who I was talking about, you better read again the whole post, including my responds to the comments.

Thanks for your perfect appreciation in me

actionking33
86 posts 

12/7/2008 9:15 pm

iT IS GOOD THAT UR PPLE LEARNT FROM HISTORY.
WHAT V LEARN FROM OUR HISTORY IS THAT V LEARN NOTHING FROM HISTORY.

actionking33
86 posts 

12/7/2008 9:19 pm

It is good that ur pple learnt from history.
What v learn from our history is that v learn nothing from history.

Yourdream4ever
1931 posts 

12/9/2008 5:44 am

    Quoting actionking33:
    It is good that ur pple learnt from history.
    What v learn from our history is that v learn nothing from history.
Yes, king, it seems to be so .. as I have a question, which nobody could give me an answer yet. For those ppl in India, who used to serve the brits before, what did the change bring to them??? In my opinion the ONLY change is the name of their masters. but this is another topic

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