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10/1/2008 10:41 pm
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The US war in Iraq is the second longest it fought after Vietnam. In terms of cost, it stands second only to the WW2. The cost in money terms vary widely. According to noted economists, it could run in to trillions of dollars. And this is a war which cannot be won for the simple reason that there do not seem to be any objective in it. Did it reduce terrorism? Did anyone get cheap oil? Did it improve the life of Iraqis? Did it achieve anything other than breaking the US economy, sacrificing nearly 4150 US soldiers and making Iran a prominent player in the middle east?
Before the invasion, the estimate of the cost was less than $200 Billion. Now the estimate for bailing out wall street is $700 Billion. Hope this time they have their estimates right.
VASHALAN
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1618 posts 10/1/2008 11:38 pm |
Hopefully The American Admin Would now never meddle in other nations affaira but ....
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955 posts 10/2/2008 1:00 am |
Quoting EdenGarden: Hopefully The American Admin Would now never meddle in other nations affaira but ....
There is a media speculation about a meddling coming in Iran. The media was speculating that it will be done after the election and before the new president took office.
And that will be the last straw on the camel's back.
VASHALAN
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263 posts 10/2/2008 7:34 am |
IT SHOWS THAT AMERICAN GOVT DO NOT LEARN FROM THEIR PAST EXPERIENCES.
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379 posts 10/2/2008 8:00 am |
Quoting EdenGarden: Hopefully The American Admin Would now never meddle in other nations affaira but ....
In some cases..they are dayemed if they do and dayemed if they don't.
There are many times there was warring in countries and ppl begged for interference. One example is the genocide in Rwanda in 1994.
I think this war was started on the basis of terrible lies .. there is no winning this one.. I agree with you > mrx. However I do believe that Iraq is better of from Sadam... just as the american ppl would be better off without the Bush family and supporters.
I do not think the US will ever have an honest president.
  
  
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955 posts 10/2/2008 9:18 am |
Quoting mirror3000: IT SHOWS THAT AMERICAN GOVT DO NOT LEARN FROM THEIR PAST EXPERIENCES.
This time it looks different. The 911 seems to be the turning point. Osama Bin Laden said that they expected to bleed the US to its defeat. At this rate, the country will not be in a position to wage many wars in the near future.
VASHALAN
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955 posts 10/2/2008 10:02 am |
Quoting Merrick: In some cases..they are dayemed if they do and dayemed if they don't.
There are many times there was warring in countries and ppl begged for interference. One example is the genocide in Rwanda in 1994.
I think this war was started on the basis of terrible lies .. there is no winning this one.. I agree with you > mrx. However I do believe that Iraq is better of from Sadam... just as the american ppl would be better off without the Bush family and supporters.
I do not think the US will ever have an honest president.
I believe one of the main reasons why Iraq was invaded is this. Saddam dared to change his oil sales to Euro. And this threatened the reserve currency status of the Dollar. This was something unpardonable. He was in power for a long time. How did he become a dictator overnight?
Do you think Iraq is better off with Saddam gone? I don't think so. American intelligence knew all about him and Iraq. We hear a lot about his atrocities but we never heard about daily car bombings then. People could generally go about their business. There were schools, hospitals, electricity, water..People had jobs and some assurance that they could come back home alive in the evening. Under his rule, the country was supposedly progressive compared to other middle eastern countries. Women had more freedom. Check wiki. Now the conservatives are back with different laws for different parts of the country. (The democracy is safe and thriving within the Green Zone.) On what basis anyone can say that their lives improved?
VASHALAN
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90 posts 10/2/2008 1:10 pm |
I cant't agree that saddam became an overnight dictator. Evidence has shown beyond any doubt that he ruled by terror and killed innocent people who were opposed to him by torturous methods. His hero was Joseph Stalin who is responsible for the purging of hundreds of millions of russian people for the purpose of "cleansing" the russian nation of dissidents. He was known to have ordered the use of chemical and biological weapons in iran and was in general a tyrantical psychopath. I do believe Bush hated Saddam as did his father and , in my opinion, the failure of the elder Bush to capture him played a part in the motivations for invading iraq. Obviously,, father has some influence over son; to expect otherwise would be a mistake. I never belived that it was possible to win in iraq for the same reasons that america lost in vietnam and russia lost in afghanistan. As you correctly said, the terrorists will not give up and will go to any and all means to make sure the United States populus will become disenchanted with the wars duration and death toll to the point of forcing its end. It has now become the biggest point of debate in the presidential election regarding foreign policy. As for the reduction of terrorism, Obama has a valid arguement. Becuase of the us military's main focus being on iraq the taliban have reformed and are now stronger than when afghanistan was originally invaded. Remember, this invasion was really the payback for 911 and had nothing to do with Iraq. Saddam, for many years, was known to have nuclear weapons and yet nothing was ever done. The US govt. , in fact,, supported him in the Iran conflict lol I dont recall any terorrists attacks anywherre in the world ever being attributed to Saddam or that anyone was concerened about Iraq using weapons of mass destruction.
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955 posts 10/3/2008 12:46 am |
Quoting elcid3: I cant't agree that saddam became an overnight dictator. Evidence has shown beyond any doubt that he ruled by terror and killed innocent people who were opposed to him by torturous methods. His hero was Joseph Stalin who is responsible for the purging of hundreds of millions of russian people for the purpose of "cleansing" the russian nation of dissidents. He was known to have ordered the use of chemical and biological weapons in iran and was in general a tyrantical psychopath. I do believe Bush hated Saddam as did his father and , in my opinion, the failure of the elder Bush to capture him played a part in the motivations for invading iraq. Obviously,, father has some influence over son; to expect otherwise would be a mistake. I never belived that it was possible to win in iraq for the same reasons that america lost in vietnam and russia lost in afghanistan. As you correctly said, the terrorists will not give up and will go to any and all means to make sure the United States populus will become disenchanted with the wars duration and death toll to the point of forcing its end. It has now become the biggest point of debate in the presidential election regarding foreign policy. As for the reduction of terrorism, Obama has a valid arguement. Becuase of the us military's main focus being on iraq the taliban have reformed and are now stronger than when afghanistan was originally invaded. Remember, this invasion was really the payback for 911 and had nothing to do with Iraq. Saddam, for many years, was known to have nuclear weapons and yet nothing was ever done. The US govt. , in fact,, supported him in the Iran conflict lol I dont recall any terorrists attacks anywherre in the world ever being attributed to Saddam or that anyone was concerened about Iraq using weapons of mass destruction.
Evidence has shown beyond any doubt that he ruled by terror and killed innocent people who were opposed to him by torturous methods - Same evidence which said he was harboring terrorists and getting WMDs ready? Because his hero was Joseph Stalin, the crimes, if any, committed by Stalin do not automatically get shared by Saddam. If Saddam used Chemical and biological weapons in Iran, so did the US use such tactics in Vietnam. Agent Orange comes under what category? How about the coalition using Depleted Uranium shells and cluster munitions in Iraq? And in the 8 year war between Iran and Iraq, the US supported Iraq with intelligence, arms... Check wiki. And look at the footnotes and see some familiar names popping up there who met Saddam.
Saddam was known to put down threats to his power internally. But no one heard of civilians dying by the scores every day by suicide bombers/car bombs. Don't you think Saddam was more capable than the coalition in controlling and running his country? People had hospitals, schools, water, electricity..
Saddam, for many years, was known to have nuclear weapons and yet nothing was ever done - But with coalition all over the place for years now, was not able to find anything so far. The DPRK demonstrated that they got the nukes. They are part of the so called 'axis of evil' but why nothing is done about it?
Frankly, I don't think the coalition suppressed violence in Iraq. Those Al Qaida guys can pull out and concentrate on Afghan for a while and when the coalition start looking at Afghan more closely, they can come up in Iraq again. Nobody win this war. It is a question of who is going to lose more.
I came across a site where they have a counter which displays the cost of war live. The counter shows nearly $2K every second. Imagine that. And did anyone gain anything for that? That is the big question.
Elcid, I did appreciate your reply. I know Americans are very patriotic and I admire them for that.
VASHALAN
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