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balubalu
15 posts 

10/24/2008 4:32 am

sorry gurl i never know on this wud u gimme the link where its found?

ARP12345
11 posts 

10/24/2008 6:59 am

ACTUALLY do u know how that theory works,it is like this if want to travel lets take like this 100km
if you travel at 50kmh then you will take 30 min
if you travel at 100kmh you will take 60 mins
like wise if the speed go on increasing at one point you will reach a place at the same time you start

even after that if you increase the speed wht will happen there is a chance of reaching a place before you even start.thats how is is said

but practically there is so much diffculty in that

he also mentions that there will be change in the persons structure shape who is making the trip

this wat i know

nice topic

ritesh91970
8 posts 

10/27/2008 12:50 am

Travel across galaxy and across time in space-time continuum is possible through wormholes.

But for such travel, the space-time continuum should be multiply connected in one or more dimensions like a manifold. Physical force should exist to deform space on manifolds towards each limb of the manifold. The physical force should allow traversability of objects across the wormhole as rigid body.

Mathematically, traversable wormholes are merely admissible solutions to general theory of relativity. "Creating and Maintaining Traversable Wormholes" seems more virtual than real at the moment because predictable wormholes cannot be stable according to the uncertainty principle. But remember, it has been possible for man to "create" virtuality now. Maybe he can coalesce virtuality and reality some day. But still for now, our ignorance always increases with our knowledge.

BTW I am not a physicist.

paganlord
9 posts 

10/31/2008 6:22 am

Even if it were possible to maintain wormholes and to indeed be able to pass objects physically through it(which is still quite far from a possibility as our scientific knowledge tells us today),we are then led to the problems forced by the second aspect of the continuum..ie., time.

Science cant even begin to predict how passing through a worm hole across a space time continuum will alter our perception of time....For starters,can anyone here give me a simple definition of time(i am not asking about time interval but time itself)???..a purely theoretical definition of time as you would define distance or volume is not possible because time is an entirely perceptional quantity which evades all physical quantification.

So lets imagine a human being rather than an inanimate object passing through a worm hole...what will happen??..will he be in the future,past or present?...how will he perceive time inside a worm hole??..will it just stop for him??..or will it still be running??..and if its running,will it be at the same speed as it runs outside the worm hole??..in other words..if it takes him 1 second to pass through the worm home will he still perceive it as 1 second too....whats if it aint so??...what if that 1 sec it takes for him as perceived by us to pass through the hole seems like a few hundred years to him??..what would be his mental state when he comes out of the other end of the worm hole...how will u feel if u were suddenly wizzed away for a hundred years to a place of total silence and lonliness and then returned exactly to the spot u were a second after u were whizzed away??would u go crazy??...even if u didnt go crazy...would u grow old??....so u might grow older and may even die of old age...while ur other pals outside the worm hole are just the same???!!!!!!!.wierd isnt it??

ruban16
1 post 

11/1/2008 6:27 am

hai. yasmin how are u?. unnoda naan pesanum . so please send your phone number.

smiles4uevr
22 posts 

11/1/2008 11:00 am

what are todays under ground metro rails,it is happening the world over,excepy the diameter of the hole is big.

ritesh91970
8 posts 

11/2/2008 4:54 am

    Quoting paganlord:
    Even if it were possible to maintain wormholes and to indeed be able to pass objects physically through it(which is still quite far from a possibility as our scientific knowledge tells us today),we are then led to the problems forced by the second aspect of the continuum..ie., time.

    Science cant even begin to predict how passing through a worm hole across a space time continuum will alter our perception of time....For starters,can anyone here give me a simple definition of time(i am not asking about time interval but time itself)???..a purely theoretical definition of time as you would define distance or volume is not possible because time is an entirely perceptional quantity which evades all physical quantification.

    So lets imagine a human being rather than an inanimate object passing through a worm hole...what will happen??..will he be in the future,past or present?...how will he perceive time inside a worm hole??..will it just stop for him??..or will it still be running??..and if its running,will it be at the same speed as it runs outside the worm hole??..in other words..if it takes him 1 second to pass through the worm home will he still perceive it as 1 second too....whats if it aint so??...what if that 1 sec it takes for him as perceived by us to pass through the hole seems like a few hundred years to him??..what would be his mental state when he comes out of the other end of the worm hole...how will u feel if u were suddenly wizzed away for a hundred years to a place of total silence and lonliness and then returned exactly to the spot u were a second after u were whizzed away??would u go crazy??...even if u didnt go crazy...would u grow old??....so u might grow older and may even die of old age...while ur other pals outside the worm hole are just the same???!!!!!!!.wierd isnt it??
Dear Pagan,
Ur comment is indeed interesting. We may need to discuss this in more detail.
Before that, addressing the first part f ur comment - definition of time. Leave alone time Pagan, for that matter, how would u define space? - not space intervals or distance, but 3 dimensional space?
More elementary, how would u define colour to me if I were blind? How would u define odour if I could not smell? How would u define taste, if I could not?
On a higher plane, how would you define beauty, art, love or passion?
All these are aspects of perception. Perceptions always come before definitions.
Now onto ur second part. Now sit back and percieve that u r travelling through a wormhole. What does one second feel like now? What does hundred years feel like? Percieve to know.
All the best

paganlord
9 posts 

11/2/2008 9:51 pm

Ok...let me start..
Space : one of the fundemental quantities of our universe..meaning its cannot be defined by other quantities..but by itself it can be explained as an extent or expanse of a surface or three-dimensional area...all u need is the three dimensions and u ll get space.

COLOUR,SMELL,TASTE or for that matter any sensory input and its subsequent interpretation as beautiful and our emotions of love,passion and understanding of art can all be defined as just nothing but electrical impulses in various parts of our brain..completely defined,mapped and almost if not entirely understood....all modified and fine tuned by millions of years of evolution and an individuals environment,genes,upbringing..etc..nothing too complicated to understand,just a question of a few more missing links..which i would say is just a matter of time before we figure it out...and our knowledge will be complete in these aspects

All these Sensory stimuli and its perception has just one simple purpose...Evolution and breeding leading to a species better in quantity and quality.

Now coming back to Time..A truly unique and fundemental Quantity...its a dimension in itself..poorly understood and defined...but taken for granted in our day to day life..i am yet to see a significant definition of time theoretically...and thats all i can say about it.

ritesh91970
8 posts 

11/2/2008 10:51 pm

    Quoting paganlord:
    Ok...let me start..
    Space : one of the fundemental quantities of our universe..meaning its cannot be defined by other quantities..but by itself it can be explained as an extent or expanse of a surface or three-dimensional area...all u need is the three dimensions and u ll get space.

    COLOUR,SMELL,TASTE or for that matter any sensory input and its subsequent interpretation as beautiful and our emotions of love,passion and understanding of art can all be defined as just nothing but electrical impulses in various parts of our brain..completely defined,mapped and almost if not entirely understood....all modified and fine tuned by millions of years of evolution and an individuals environment,genes,upbringing..etc..nothing too complicated to understand,just a question of a few more missing links..which i would say is just a matter of time before we figure it out...and our knowledge will be complete in these aspects

    All these Sensory stimuli and its perception has just one simple purpose...Evolution and breeding leading to a species better in quantity and quality.

    Now coming back to Time..A truly unique and fundemental Quantity...its a dimension in itself..poorly understood and defined...but taken for granted in our day to day life..i am yet to see a significant definition of time theoretically...and thats all i can say about it.
Kudos Pagan Lord I give up....
Please enlighten me on the following questions I had yet:
1. Does that extent or expanse of a surface or 3dim area u used to define space - does that exist in space itself or elsewhere?
2. The three dimensions that u need to get space - can they be curved or should that be straight?
3. For wormholes to exist do we need a fourth dimension of space?
4. If senses and perceptions are electric impulses, why is my concept of beauty different from urs? My passions different from urs.
5. Can I define space also as a fundamental quantity, dimension in itself just as u defined time?
Please be kind enough to explain these to me.
Regards
Ritesh

paganlord
9 posts 

11/3/2008 2:34 am

Answers:
1.If u keep time out of the equation the answer is yes...it exsists in space itself
2.straight or curved depends on the point of view of the observer....or the frame of space he is in...and it differs if the same observer is in motion and at rest...so yes it can be both curved and straight
3.yes we do ...we need the fourth dimension of sapce...that is TIME...everything has minimum 4 dimensions..including worm holes
4.i have explained this already...it is modified and fine tuned by evolution,genes,our environment,the way we are brought up,our values in life...and the way people impress upon us.thats why even twins have diffent tastes..because of the difference in stimuli they have been exposed to since they been born...our response to stimuli and our tastes are modified by our experiences ..thats why the same person has changes in some of his tastes as he ages
5.Space indeed is a fundemental quantity...its not a dimension!!...it needs dimensions to be defined

ritesh91970
8 posts 

11/3/2008 5:06 am

    Quoting paganlord:
    Answers:
    1.If u keep time out of the equation the answer is yes...it exsists in space itself
    2.straight or curved depends on the point of view of the observer....or the frame of space he is in...and it differs if the same observer is in motion and at rest...so yes it can be both curved and straight
    3.yes we do ...we need the fourth dimension of sapce...that is TIME...everything has minimum 4 dimensions..including worm holes
    4.i have explained this already...it is modified and fine tuned by evolution,genes,our environment,the way we are brought up,our values in life...and the way people impress upon us.thats why even twins have diffent tastes..because of the difference in stimuli they have been exposed to since they been born...our response to stimuli and our tastes are modified by our experiences ..thats why the same person has changes in some of his tastes as he ages
    5.Space indeed is a fundemental quantity...its not a dimension!!...it needs dimensions to be defined
Thanks Pagan,
U have cleared all my doubts about space time, that has been bothering me for a while now. I feel very clear about the concepts of hyperspace
Thanks Boss very much
Regards

paganlord
9 posts 

11/3/2008 7:50 pm

U are welcome.
PAGAN.

ritesh91970
8 posts 

11/3/2008 8:57 pm

Pagan,
U r a genius Pagan. U should not only keep this intellect to urself.
U should write to Stephen Hawkings et al.
U could be a Nobel Laureate for your unprecedented definitions.
Please do that.
Regards

ritesh91970
8 posts 

11/4/2008 9:03 am

Let me define space and time now:
I would assume that man exists, human mind exists and that human language exists.

That which is under human observation and thought is called a system.

A set of numerical, linguistic or other symbolic expression that describe a system is called the state of the system. Some of these expressions (secondary) can be dependant on others (primary). Independant expressions constitute domains and dependant ones are called functions. If the domain is continuous in itself, it is a continuum.

A continuum arbitrarily used as a reference for the state of a system is called space. No. of primary variables in the reference space is its dimension. Space can have many dimensions. Common man can percieve three.

A transformation of the state of a system in space is called time. If there was no change, everything was standstill, there is no more time. Reversal of transformations or undoing an event also is a transformation and hence time moves only forward. Thus time becomes a consumable dimension. Events in negative time (past) can influence those in present and future, but the component of their impact can be described only in unreal values.

BTW I am not a mathematician and I have used only English in the above composition.

paganlord
9 posts 

11/4/2008 8:38 pm

No true definition can be based on an assumption...if u assume something its a hypothesis...not a definition...thats just simple english not physics or mathematics..
Time is independant of space..so ur definition,"A transformation of the state of a system in space is called time",is redundant...and even if everything stops time still exists...otherwise according to u the best way to stop time is to cool down everything to 0 kelvin or -273 Celcius..when everything comes to a standstill..and hence according to ur theory time should stop...and extrapolating ur theory time should slow down as the temperature drops!!!!!?????....ridiculous!!!!
Word to the wise dude..."STICK TO ENGLISH AND LEAVE SPACE AND TIME ALONE."

ritesh91970
8 posts 

11/4/2008 10:48 pm

    Quoting paganlord:
    No true definition can be based on an assumption...if u assume something its a hypothesis...not a definition...thats just simple english not physics or mathematics..
    Time is independant of space..so ur definition,"A transformation of the state of a system in space is called time",is redundant...and even if everything stops time still exists...otherwise according to u the best way to stop time is to cool down everything to 0 kelvin or -273 Celcius..when everything comes to a standstill..and hence according to ur theory time should stop...and extrapolating ur theory time should slow down as the temperature drops!!!!!?????....ridiculous!!!!
    Word to the wise dude..."STICK TO ENGLISH AND LEAVE SPACE AND TIME ALONE."
Mmm Pagan,
Second part of ur question is my language.
Dont get it wrong again. Absolute zero of temperature is the temperature at which molecular motion of ideal gases ceases to exist.
That is state of molecular motion of an ideal gas system in three dimensional space becomes still in time. Simultaneously if other systems (or same system) experience transformations in other states in other spaces time would continue to exist.
If we manage to percieve that all systems stop transformation in all states in all dimensions of space by uniformly achieving absolute zeroes, (if absolute zero exist, without crystallization of gases) it would become a singularity, like before big bang and on blackholes. What was time before big bang?
The first part of ur question is just for the sake of state of your mind. It is still not my language. So I dont prefer to quote u on that.
Regards

paganlord
9 posts 

11/5/2008 8:49 pm

Ever tried explaining quantum physics to a rock??>>thats my state now....good luck...lolz

dreammerchant02

11/13/2008 2:19 am

The special theory of relativity explains this in detail. For example if you were to travel @ speed of light( 3lakh km/sec) and moving away from earth for 5 minutes and come back to earth. What would you see?
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When you return to earth after 5 minutes, your earth would have travelled 1000 years. you would not able to recognise the earth and its mileu. But whereas you were only 5 minutes old.

funtimerealtime
33 posts 

11/19/2008 10:34 am

i dint have any idea about it

but thanks to you i could learn something about it from our friendly members

aumoshoaum
2222 posts 

11/21/2008 4:26 am

Thanks Yasmin
and
everyone posting on this
intelligent
and
informative blog.


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